The CHAIRMAN. Is that true where two living parties were married in the temple; was the endowment taken first?

Mr. WALLIS. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Always?

Mr. WALLIS. It was the same with myself and my wife.

The CHAIRMAN. Then the endowment is a prerequisite to marriage?

Mr. WALLIS. Yes, sir.

Mr. TAYLER. When did you take the endowment for the purpose of marrying your present wife?

Mr. WALLIS. The first time I went into the temple.

Mr. TAYLER. That was about 1895 then?-

Mr. WALLIS. Yes, sir.

Mr. TAYLER. Were all these taken in the same building?

Mr. WALLIS. Yes, sir.

Mr. TAYLER. At Salt Lake City?

Mr. WALLIS. Yes, sir.

Mr. TAYLER. In the temple at Salt Lake City?

Mr. WALLIS. Yes, sir.

Mr. TAYLF.U. Had you and your present wife been previously married in England?

Mr. WALLTS. Yes, sir.

Mr. TAYLER. What particular reason was there for the marriage ceremony taking place again?

Mr. WALLIS. The fact that we wished to be married for time and all eternity according to the ritual of the Mormon Church.

Mr. TAYLER. You had not been so married in England?

Mr. WALLIS. No, sir.

Mr. TAYLER. Is it, according to the Mormon belief, possible to be married for time and all eternity in any other place man a temple, as you understand it?

Mr. WALLIS. I have known of such things, but I am told they were not legal according to the church.

Mr. TAYLER. Now, Mr. Wallis, do you feel that you have a distinct familiarity with the endowment ceremony?

Mr. WALLIS. Yes, sir.

Mr. TAYLER. From beginning to end?

Mr. WALLIS. Yes; pretty near, I believe.

Mr. TAYLER. I have no special desire myself for a detailed account of it, but I want to reach certain parts of it as promptly as possible. At some stage in the endowment ceremony a certain obligation —

Mr. WALLIS. Yes, sir.

Mr. TAYLER. Was taken by those who passed through the ceremony?

Mr. WALLIS. Yes, sir.

Mr. TAYLER. I would be obliged if you will state in a general way, so that we may understand its character, what occurred, without going into the details of it, down to the point where any certain obligation was taken by you and those who with you were going through the ceremony.

Mr. WALLIS. The obligations of priesthood were taken, the two with the Aaronic priesthood and two with the Melchisedec. Would you like me to give the details of it?

Mr. TAYLER. Go on.

Mr. WALLIS. Excuse my rising.

The CHAIRMAN. Certainly.

Mr. WALLIS (standing). "You, and each of you, do solemnly promise and vow that I will not reveal this the first token of the Aaronic priesthood with its accompanying name, sign, and penalty. Should I do so " — this is the sign [indicating]—" I agree that my throat be cut from ear to ear and my tongue torn out by its roots from my mouth."

That is the first obligation.

Mr. TAYLER. Is that taken by all who go through?

Mr. WALLIS. By all.

Mr. TAYLER. You took it with the rest?

Mr. WALLIS. Yes, sir.

Mr. TAYLER. Each time that you passed through the ceremony?

Mr. WALLIS. Yes, sir.

Mr. TAYLER. That is called the Aaronic?

Mr. WALLIS. That is called the first token of the Aaronic priesthood. The second token of the Aaronic priesthood — its sign is that [indicating], and the obligation commences the same, only that " I agree to have my breast cut asunder and my heart and vitals torn from my body."

Then the first token of the Melchisedec priesthood is this [indicating]; is this square [indicating], and about the same words, only that " I agree to have my body cut asunder in the midst and all my bowels gushed out." The second token of the Melchisedec priesthood there is no penalty to, but the sign is the crucifixion sign, and the words accompanying that are " Pale, hail, hail." I do not know what it means.

Mr. TAYLER. How do you spell it?

Mr. WALLIS. I do not know.

Mr. TAYLER. How do you spell the sound that you give?

Mr. WALLIS. The same as I pronounce it now — pale, hail, hail.

Mr. TAYLER. Is it pao, or pal?

Mr. WALLIS. I can not tell you which is the spelling. I only know the way they all say it.

Mr. TAYLER. Some people sound certain letters different from others.

Mr. WALLIS. I think I have the pronunciation pretty near correct.

Mr. TAYLER. Pass on. Those are all vows to secrecy?

Mr. WALLIS. Yes, sir.

Mr. TAYLER. With an accompanying penalty if the secret is disclosed?

Mr. WALLIS. Yes. sir.

Mr. TAYLER. At any other stage of that ceremony is there an obligation?

Mr. WALLIS. Yes, sir. There are two or three obligations taken after that. There are vows — the "vow of the sacrifices" is one — where we vow conjointly to give all our substance and all we might ever become possessed of to the support of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

Mr. TAYLER. That is the substance of that vow?

Mr. WALLIS. That is the substance of that vow.

Mr. TAYLER. What other vow?

Mr. WALLIS. Another is called the " vow of chastity," by which we all vowed we would have no connection with any of the other sex unless they were given to us by the priesthood; and another vow was what we used to call the "oath of vengeance." I do not know whether I have it right or not — that we would never cease to importune high heaven to take vengeance on the inhabitants of the earth for the murders of the prophets. I do not know whether I have it exactly right, but that is the substance of it.

Mr. TAYLER. Stand up, if it will help you, and give us the words, if you can.

Mr. WALLIS (standing up). " That you and each of you do promise and vow that you will never cease to importune high heaven to avenge the blood of the prophets upon the nations of the earth or the inhabitants of the earth."

I could not tell you exactly which it was. It was some year or two ago. If my memory serves me, that is about right, and a passage of Scripture is quoted from the Revelations, the sixth chapter, ninth verse, I think it is, where the souls of those who had been slain cried aloud from under the altar for vengeance.

Mr. WORTHINGTON. Revelations, sixth chapter, ninth verse.

Mr. WALLIS. Revelations, sixth chapter, ninth verse. I believe.

Mr. TAYLER. Substantially in that form, these obligations were taken each time that you went through?

Mr. WALLIS. Yes, sir.

Mr. TAYLER. I think that is all.

Mr. WORTHINGTON. Mr. Wallis, are you still a member of the Mormon Church?

Mr. WALLIS. Still, so far as I have received any official notification of my being severed from it. I could not say about it.

Mr. WORTHINGTON. Have you ever given the church or any officer or minister thereof any notification that you do not consider yourself to be a member of the church?

Mr. WALLIS. Yes, sir; I gave notification of that to George R, Emery, my bishop, that I intended having nothing whatever to do with them again.

Mr. WORTHINGTON. What is his jurisdiction? Where is his bishopric ?

Mr. WALLIS. The Sixteenth Ward.

Mr. WORTHINGTON. When did }7ou do that? When did you give him that notification?

Mr. WALLIS. Seven or eight months ago.

Mr. WORTHINGTON. Did you give it to him verbally or in writing?

Mr. WALLIS. Verbally.

Mr. WORTHINGTON. In the presence of any third person?

Mr. WALLIS. In the presence of his wife and mine.

Mr. WORTHINGTON. Where? At what place?

Mr. WALLIS. In Salt Lake.

Mr. WORTHINGTON. I know: but where in Salt Lake City?

Mr. WALLIS. On the main street; we met there. He asked me the question and I gave him an official notification.

Mr. WORTHINGTON. That was the first notification, then, which you had given to anybody representing the church that you did not consider yourself any longer bound to respect its obligations?

Mr. WALLIS. That was the first; yes, sir.

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Mr. WORTHINGTON. To whom have you communicated it?

Mr. WALLIS. Well, in general conversation; I could not say how many.

Mr. WORTHINGTON. You have told it to lots of people, gentiles and Mormons?

Mr. WALLIS. Yes, sir.

Mr. WORTHINGTON. Out where you live?

Mr. WALLIS. Yes, sir.

Mr. WORTHINGTON. How long ago did you begin telling about this?

Mr. WALLIS. Well, I could not say that, but almost any time the subject of Mormonism came up.

Mr. WORTHINGTON. Have you been telling about this out there for several years?

Mr. WALLIS. Well, no; not for several years.

Mr. WORTHINGTON. Several months?

Mr. WALLIS. Several months.

Mr. WORTHINGTON. A year?

Mr. WALLIS. I dare say; say about the time of the last meeting of this committee.

Mr. WORTHINGTON. You told about it generally to people around there to whom you talked?

Mr. WALLIS. Yes, sir.

Mr. WORTHINGTON. Mormons and gentiles?

Mr. WALLIS. Yes, sir.

Mr. WORTHINGTON. Just what you told here?

Mr. WALLIS. Yes, sir; or words to that effect. I made one slight mistake yesterday.

Mr. WORTHINGTON. I suppose any witness has a right to correct mistakes.

The CHAIRMAN. You can correct it if you desire.

Mr. WALLIS. In repeating the obligation of vengeance I found that I was wrong.

The CHAIRMAN. I can not hear what you say. Please stand up.

Mr. WALLIS. In repeating the obligation of vengeance I find I made a mistake; I was wrong. It should have been " upon this nation." I had it "upon the inhabitants of the earth." It was a mistake on my part.

Mr. WORTHINGTON. When you told it to all' of these other people in the last year did you always make that mistake or did you tell it as you have now told it here?

Mr. WALLIS. As I have told it to-day.

Mr. WORTHINGTON. To whom did you tell it out there in that why?

Mr. WALLIS. 1 should not be so confused in private conversation as I might be here to-day.

Mr. WORTHINGTON. Let the reporter read the answer.

The reporter read the answer.

Mr. WORTHINGTON. My question is to whom did you tell it? x Mr. WALLIS. Do you wish me to identify some one by name?

Mr. WORTHINGTON. Not some one, but everyone you can remember to whom you told it out there, Mormons or gentiles.

Mr. WALLIS. I have spoken to Mr. Owen on the subject.

Mr. WORTHINGTON. Yes, I suppose so. Anybody else?

Mr. WALLIS. I could not call another one by name at the present time. But of course it is rather recent in that case.

Mr. WORTHINGTON. Although you have been telling it for a year, you say, out there to a great many people, you can not give us the name of a single person to whom you told it except that of Sir. Owen ?

Mr. WALLIS. No, sir; I do not know that I could. I am not very good at remembering names.

Mr. WORTHINGTON. Did Mr. Owen reduce what you said to writing in your presence?

Mr. WALLIS. Not that I know of.

Mr. WORTHINGTON. How is that?

Mr. WALLIS. I do not remember him having done it.

Mr. WORTHINGTON. Have you signed any statement

Mr. WALLIS. No, sir.

Mr. WORTHINGTON. Of what you were to testify to?

Mr. WALLIS. No, sir.

Mr. WORTHINGTON. Has any written memorandum of it been shown to you at any time?

Mr. WALLIS. No, sir.

Mr. WORTHINGTON. When did you find out you had made this mistake which you are now correcting?

Mr. WALLIS. On thinking it over last night. 1 read the paper, and I saw what I had said, and I knew then I was wrong.

Mr. WORTHINGTON. Have you talked with anybody about it since you were on the stand?

Mr. WALLIS. I mentioned it to Mr. Owen when I came in.

Mr. WORTHINGTON. To Mr. Owen. You have not mentioned it to any body else?

Mr. WALLIS. No, sir.

Mr. WORTHINGTON. That is all we can go on with now, Mr. Chairman.

The CHAIRMAN. I wish to ask a question. You mentioned to Mr. Owen this morning the fact that you had made a mistake?

Mr. WALLIS. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Will you repeat now the obligation as you remember it.

Mr. WALLIS. "That you and each of you will never cease to importune High Heaven for vengeance upon this nation for the blood of the prophets who have been slain." That is as near as I can get at it; that is the substance of it.

The CHAIRMAN. Do you gentlemen want this witness any further?

Mr. WORTHINGTON. We may want him. I hope he will not be discharged. Let the stenographer read the obligation.

The reporter read the obligation.

Mr. WORTHINGTON. Was there anything in that obligation about inhabitants?

Mr. TAYLER. That was not all of the answer. Let the entire answer be read

The reporter read as follows:

' ' Mr. WALLIS. ' That you and each of you will never cease to importune High Heaven for vengeance upon this nation for the blood of the prophets who have been slain.' That is as near as 1 can get at it; that is the substance of it."

Mr. WORTHINGTON. Was there anything in that obligation about inhabitants?

Mr. WALLIS. Nothing about inhabitants. I found I was wrong about that?

Mr. WORTHINGTON. Where did you see your testimony?

Mr. WALLIS. In the Star last evening.

Mr. WORTHINGTON. I wish you would think about this a little, and we may ask you later to give us the names of persons in your vicinage to whom you have repeated this obligation, besides Mr. Owen.

Mr. WALLIS. All right; I will see if I can remember them, or some of them.

Mr. WORTHINGTON. Very well. That is all for the present, Mr. Chairman. We do not want this witness discharged.

The CHAIRMAN. You will remain in the city, Mr. Wallis, until you are discharged; and the committee will now take a recess until 2 o'clock, hoping that the witnesses will have arrived by that time.

Thereupon (at 11 o'clock a. m.) the committee took a recess until 2 o'clock p. m.

The committee reassembled at the expiration of the recess.

The CHAIRMAN. Mr. Tayler, who is your next witness?

Mr. TAYLER. August W. Lundstrom.